Mr Vivien Botha, an elder in the Cape Town congregation, and his wife Cathy talk with Victor Kubik about how they stay hopeful in the face of pain and adversity, and how their struggles have helped them rebuild the church in Cape Town.

This podcast was originally posted at https://www.ucg.org/inside-united-podcast/inside-united-podcast-080-vivien-and-cathy-botha-hopeful-in-the-face-of-pain-and-adversity (→)